10:35-10:55 William Kramer Environmental Assessment and Outer Space Actions
10:39:22 From Linda Billings : Too many humans — governments, corporations, individuals - have engaged in the assault of the environment for centuries. William
10:39:50 From Linda Billings : William’s critique is right on.
10:39:51 From Sabine Heinz : I do agree with you
10:40:08 From Sabine Heinz : I have no idea, how we con solve this problem
10:40:29 From Sabine Heinz : because there are too many economical interests
10:42:20 From Linda Billings : Even before capitalism, human greed drove the plundering of natural resources.
10:43:20 From Dr Sheri Wells-Jensen : Recommending "Spacefarers" by Chris Wanjek 2020. A good summary of everything pertaining to colonization and space exploration in the current period.
10:43:51 From Linda Billings : I am not optimistic about the prospects for effective government regulation of the exploration and exploitation of outer space, which by international law is the province of all humankind.
10:45:06 From Kathryn Denning : I agree, Linda.
10:45:09 From Lucas Mix : Can you have an 'environment' without a subject?
10:45:32 From Ted Peters : Linda, your presentation is to this point.
10:46:01 From Caleb Hylkema : Follow-up: it seems plausible that the benefits of exploiting extraterrestrial environments might outweigh the sort of intrinsic valuing that preserving the environment would provide.
10:46:54 From Joe Gottlieb : @ Caleb H.: I completely agree.
10:46:55 From Kelly Smith : Exactly, Caleb. Of course, I have probably had a bad influence on you…:)
10:47:09 From Lucas Mix : @Caleb, Thomas would say the environments have their own ends. Aldo Leopold would argue that the landscape has intrinsic value.
10:47:23 From Joe Gottlieb : But 'exploit' is a loaded term, normatively speaking.
10:47:38 From Dr Sheri Wells-Jensen : I also worry quite a bit about corporations regulating themselves: foxes and henhouses and all that. 10:47:48 From David DeGraff (he/him) : And the scientific value of an asteroid is more than just its minerals
10:47:57 From Kelly Smith : As are other terms like “pollute”. I am not convinced it’s really possible to “pollute”. Tieless world - at least not in the way we normally think about
10:48:10 From Kelly Smith : A lifeless world
10:48:22 From Kathryn Denning : Who benefits? The first-come, first-served model of solar system use is questionable.
10:48:46 From Joe Gottlieb : There is a reading of 'exploit' where our simply setting up a small colony of Mars would count as exploiting. But that's absurd
10:48:56 From Kelly Smith : Who benefits is an entirely separate question from whether the benefits can, in principle, outweigh supposed intrinsic values
10:49:07 From Joe Gottlieb : @ Kelly: Yep!
10:49:21 From Kathryn Denning : Anthropologists vs philosophers : )
10:49:30 From Lucas Mix : @Kelly, I worry about the distinction between landscape (which might be lifeless as I think of it, maybe not Leopold) and wilderness (which has interests that are not human interests).
10:49:38 From Kelly Smith : The age old battle - only one can emerge from this meeting alive!
10:50:13 From Kelly Smith : Lucas, personally I don’t care about wilderness save for it’s value to humans (which is a real thing and worthy of consideration(
10:50:20 From Ryan Fortenberry : PR and pressure from individuals is the only way a free society can really be responsible.
10:50:21 From Jim Schwartz : Am I being pitted against my fellow philosophers, then? :)
10:50:34 From Kelly Smith : Only the reasonable ones…:)
10:51:45 From Lucas Mix : Is density an issue? It seems as though the law of the sea only became broad in the 20th century except in areas like the Mediterranean that were well traveled.
10:51:52 From Jim Schwartz : Thanks, William!
10:54:15 From Kathryn Denning : William, I agree completely with your approach -- it's the most pragmatic and realistic option now.. And I think it's essential to have these approaches in play because I don't think there's any realistic hope of effective international hard law any time soon. Unilateral actors will be acting...
10:55:08 From Jim Schwartz : So we all need to apply to be part of Biden's space policy team.
10:56:29 From Joe Gottlieb : @ Jim: I am not sure Biden has let on anything re: his space agenda. Artemis might be locked in though
10:57:04 From Dan Capper : Nice presentation William!
10:58:48 From Carlos Santana : re: William's presentation, is there a successful historical case environmentally effective industry self-regulation? All the examples I can think of are largely failures.